What is the Point of Life?

What could POSSIBLY be the point of life?

Did you ever wonder about this question? Is it life’s MOST important question?

What is the Point of Life?


IS
there a point to life? If “yes”, what could it possibly be?

Is life a good thing to experience or a horrible thing to endure?

Over the last 5-6 weeks I’ve been meditating again. Just sitting and focusing on the breath… you know, that thing that keeps us alive with an inhalation every 6 seconds over our lifetimes?

In the past I thought I had the answer to what is the point of life… I decided in 1997 that there really was no good point to life and that the best way to go through life is to cheat God and go through it a different way than how everyone else was wired to go through it. After all – God, or something smarter than us – whether it’s the natural order of the cosmos, God, or aliens, something started this or is the reason for this… this thing we call human life…

So, after reading a bit about Buddhism and the “goal” of Buddhism I decided that I was going to reach what the Theravada Buddhists call, “Nibbana” or “Nirvana”. Essentially “Nibbana” means, the end of suffering. Buddhists believe that our lives are filled with suffering because our minds are wired to attach to things that we like, and attach to the idea of getting things – whether they be positive or negative things. When we’ve attached with our minds to something that doesn’t happen or that we don’t get – we suffer.

I identified strongly with the Buddhist goal to end this life of suffering. I agree, this life appears to be so full of suffering and it does appear that we create our own suffering through attachment to doing, being, experiencing positive and avoiding negative things in life.

I can see plainly that life in general sucks. I’m not saying that I don’t have great experiences. I may have had more great experiences than anyone reading this blog post, and yet, overall – life is full of suck.

We have so many instances of attachment to the way that we want events to go throughout the day… throughout our lives, that we are disappointed much more often than we are satisfied. That is the natural state of human beings. Maybe more so for Americans. We’re constantly trying to control all the variables in our lives and control more and more of what is going on. We are always trying to get more, do more, be more, see more, experience more, control more, and it’s a lost battle more times than not.

How can we possibly get everything to go our way? How can we possibly even get a majority of events to go our way? Impossible.

So, we’re fighting a losing battle… all of us. That’s a fact if looked at through this perspective.

I meditated for over 10 months. I had the experiences that I read about. My mind stopped and there was no thought. There was no “me”. I experienced the levels of Jhana. I had incredible, fantastic, bizarre and surreal experiences that blew me away… I had hours in which my mind was stopped and where I did not react to things with emotion or with the ego… I was still able to function, and yet the ego was gone. I was told by monks here in Thailand that I was well on the way to the ultimate goal of the end of suffering…

As I sat today on the top of a mountain here in southern Thailand for a couple hours I questioned again, like I often do, whether there is really any point in reaching nirvana.

What is the POINT of that? It’s cheating God or whatever set up mankind here like it is… It’s eliminating the ego – that thing which all of mankind has to some degree… and the thing that is admittedly the cause of so much pain and suffering due to it’s affinity to attaching to outcomes of events – but still.

What’s the point of something like that?

I’ve not met anyone that was enlightened. I’ve asked monks and abbots of Buddhist temples here in Thailand. I’ve asked on major, worldwide internet forums if anyone knows someone they believe is enlightened… I’ve found nobody.

I think the state exists and I think that I’ve tasted the flavor of it. I may have experienced exactly what enlightenment is all about for short periods… and you know what? So what.

What is the point of being enlightened and without pain? Because, you are also without the exhilaration that comes when you are fully attached to the outcome of something – and you get it.

Buddhism discounts these moments of joy as unimportant because they are not everlasting and the source of perpetual joy. I can’t seem to discount them. I feel like those moments are the moments that I want to experience. I’ve felt the equanimity – the balance that exists when a problem confronts “me” when there is no ego… and it’s nice to not react. It’s nice to watch the mind stay calm and be completely unaffected by that which would have been perceived as very negative when the ego was ripe and present. But, am I to live my entire life that way – balanced, non-reactive to negatives and positives, but existing in a state of peace and bliss where there are not only no lows, but, no highs either?

Don’t get me wrong… the experience of losing the ego is phenomenal… I’ve experienced nothing like it ever. Jhana and experiencing a stopping of thought and a loss of the ego was the most unique experience that I’ve ever had and that I could have never dreamed was possible. It was bizarre, incredible, fantastic, and during it there was no feeling of any of that – things just were as they are. Buddhadassa Bhikku had a saying, “it is as it is” or, “just as it is” to describe the state of reality once you lose the ego and you are experiencing the state in which there can be no disappointment because there is no attachment to anything.

It’s a wonderful state. It’s a painless state. It’s nice to have… Is it worth it to keep meditating and have that state be with you permanently?

Is "love" the point of living?

I don’t know. Today as I thought about it… no, it’s not worth it. The ‘masters’ say that once you reach nibbana it’s a permanent change. It doesn’t revert and you suddenly have ego again one day. That’s it, ego is toast and you’re not going back.

Is it worth it to enter that state of nibbana just so you can help others enter it too? Is that the point of life – to reach nibbana and transcend life as we know it now – full of attachment, exhilaration and disappointments?

Do enlightened people bodyboard? I don’t think so. Who would know? I know that when I was going through the process and experiencing the different levels of Jhana… and I had such peace of mind and balance… equanimity the Buddhists call it… I had no desire to DO things. Nothing really. All desire was gone… No desire to play at the beach, explore a hiking trail, bodyboard, snorkel, nothing. I didn’t “miss” those things while in the state, but still – is that how one’s whole LIFE should be? It’s like cheating God by skipping the bad experiences here on earth.

I don’t know why humans are here… I don’t know if I’m here for any particular reason that is different from what every other human is here for. Is there a reason at all for why we are here – as a group or as individuals?

I’m not sure there is or isn’t. I’m not sure that something made us on purpose to exist and go through this silly life as we are. I don’t see a good point to it. I’ve tried. I can’t see it.

I’ve tried over and over and over to understand what possible good could be coming out of babies born without limbs, with life-threatening diseases, with AIDS, with any of the myriad disabilities, diseases, deformities, and the like… and those are just babies… what of those that are raped or tortured and killed? What of those that see loved ones die in the war or of other horrible circumstances? What of lost love? Lost hope? Lost friends? Failed marriages? Things that rip our hearts out… what is the point of these?

To me there is really no point, and if there is a point it’s beyond human understanding and no point thinking about it.


As far as I can see the point of life for me is that…

1. It’s temporary.

It’s a temporary state of existence that is not to be taken all that seriously because it:

A.) Isn’t fair to all of us, some have a much better life than others – based on nothing more than luck of the draw as far as we can see. And,

B.) There is no guidance for the world’s inhabitants as to what the point of life really is… so, it’s up to your own intellect… assuming you have an intellect. If you were unlucky enough to be born with a 70 IQ, then you probably wouldn’t have any ideas at all about what the point of life is – and so again, how serious could this life be if some of us – millions of us with mental disabilities – cannot think with a clear enough mind to come up with their own meaning to this life – or even CARE about a meaning?


2.
It’s OK to attach to some things…

There are some things that we attach to with our minds, and that we are actually able to get somewhat consistently. These are things that we should enjoy. They are to be enjoyed to counteract some of the suck!

For instance, I can really attach to food! I really can enjoy many different types of food when I’m “in the moment” and really tasting the food. It gives such an enjoyment in the present moment that few things can compare. Well, maybe nothing can compare in my mind. Eating food might be the most enjoyable experience I can ever have consistently and almost as frequently as I choose.

Sex can be incredibly pleasing, but masturbation is sometimes better because it’s always there for you and you’re not likely to have a bad experience.

Simple things… a walk after work… playing a musical instrument… listening to your favorite CD… laying down for a nap after work… things that depend entirely on you and that you can make happen most times. Things that are simple to set up and that bring consistent pleasure… without leading to disappointment much.

3. Everyone else’s life is sucking also…

If I help lessen other people’s negative experience of life in some way then I feel good about it. It’s a lasting feeling of good. I tend to think of it in a karma-ish way and I keep a running balance in my mind for the day of things I’m doing good for people or ways in which I’m hurting people or giving them a negative experience… Even things like smiling at someone or giving a compliment is giving someone a more positive experience of life than if you hadn’t. It feels good to me to make others happy and reduce the sucky experience inherent in day-to-day life.


4. Make yourself happy when you can.

Do something that you feel good doing. For me, this means something active usually… I love to bodyboard in the waves of Hawaii more than I like to breathe. I have so much intense fun on so many levels that for me it’s like a religious experience… it’s like the best high that I can feel. I also like mountain biking, hiking, some easy climbing, snorkeling, kayaking, fishing, and running.

I attach with my mind to the fun I have doing these things and it’s not hard to have fun doing them. It’s not that hard to line them up and do them. To me, that is attachment that works. If someday I can no longer kayak or climb or snorkel because of medical problems or lack of money – no worries, I’ll not attach to them anymore… I’ll find something else that I enjoy and that I can do consistently that enables me to feel happier than I would experiencing life’s general suck.

5. Reduce attachment to things that are likely to give you dissatisfaction, or change something so they become more likely to happen.

A.) Competition: For me reducing competition was one thing that has had a very positive result in my life. I have been so competitive in my younger years. I ran, played soccer, played beach volleyball, competed in triathlons, played competitive racquetball, tennis, and so many more things that many times gave me a bad feeling about having competed in them at all. Even if I won, I might feel like I didn’t play as well as I could have. I might feel like I didn’t try for certain points. I might think the other guy let me win. I might think that I was lucky to win and didn’t win based on my skills and strategy, thereby reducing the exhileration of the win. I noticed that even though I won I never felt that good. What a horrible situation! I compete very little now and I’m much happier inside.

B.) Goals: If your goal for the past 10 years has been to make $100,000 salary and you’re not there yet… moderate your goal. If you want to go to Cancun Mexico for your vacation and that’s all you dream about, and you’re making $15,000 per year either change your goal or change your lifestyle so you’ll LIKELY be able to meet your goal.

C.) Love: If there’s one area of my own life that had to change it was here. Love relationships are what cause me the most pain by far… more than everything else added together, easily. I attach to the outcome of so many little events in a relationship and if things don’t go the way I want them to, then I’m disappointed. I’m sad. If we break up, I’m really sad! I have yet to make a relationship “work” for a long, long time… but recently I’ve passed 5 years with the most wonderful girl on the planet. So, who knows when it will happen. If I’d have quit trying to find “THE ONE” I would have missed this beautiful, awesome opportunity for the relationship I’m in now.

What other things are not worth attaching to because they frequently lead to disappointment?

6. Be happy with very little.

Living in Thailand for the past 5 years on very little money has shown me something that I couldn’t have learned if I had read it or even experienced the same thing in the USA. I need very, very little as far as the comforts that I thought I needed before coming to Thailand.

As I write this I’m sitting on a fold-up cushion that serves as my bed, chair, theater seats (when we watch DVD movies on the notebook computer) and dinner table. I have no table. No chairs. No kitchen sink. No flush toilet. No air conditioning. No fan. I have no car. I have no bicycle. I have no refrigerator. I have no hot water. I have no TV. The most expensive asset I own is my notebook computer that is worth about $400 USD. The next most expensive thing I have is a mobile phone that was $45 USD. The next most expensive thing I have is a portable hard drive that stores my photos and videos that was also almost $45 USD. My girlfriend has a motorbike that cost $1500 USD almost 5 years ago. These are the major things we have. They are things that we’d rather not live without, but if we had to – we could live without any of them! We’ve slept on the hard tile floor for weeks at times. We’ve walked or taken buses instead of use the motorbike.

I think, if I were to return to the USA now after finding out how little I really need, I could live in a shared apartment with very little furniture or none – no TV, and have a bicycle to get to work and I’d be fine. Maybe I’d need to make about $20,000 USD salary. That’s a FAR cry from what I thought I needed before I left. It takes the stress out of life to reduce what you think you “need”. Move to another country for a couple months if you can, experience what they are experiencing… it might shock you at first until you realize, wow, that’s all I need to survive too…

7. Enjoy being in the present moment.

When we play sports or when we’re doing just about anything physically we are “in the present moment”. We are just doing. We are experiencing without using the mind’s ego. We are not using the mind’s ideas of the future or the past. We’re not using thought… we’re using memory and physical reaction… It’s as if we’re enjoying pure experience. That is a good thing. As I told you, bodyboarding in Hawaii (or anywhere) is my favorite activity that I can possibly do. I am not thinking much during it, I’m just DOING. In DOING there can be a lot of pleasure in the present moment. A LOT.

Extend this to things like driving, walking, and going about your day doing anything and you’ll notice that you have a much more enjoyable time. Washing dishes for instance… it’s something that most of us need to do everyday and most of us look at it as a chore, something we don’t WANT to do. We’re attached to the idea of not having to do them – but, realistically – there they are after every meal. If we do the dishes in the present moment and aren’t caught up in our egoistic thoughts of the future and what we are going to do after the dishes or what we think we could be doing instead of the dishes – we’re happier. If you’re happier you can give happiness to others more often. You can react to life’s challenges from a more balanced or centered point.

8. When life is over, it’s over…

No need to prolong this life any longer than we have here. Why prolong the misery? Why make the body live longer than it has a right to? Why force the mind to face death not once, but twice or more times? Why? The fear of death is such a horrible thing that most of us have. I believe that when death comes it’s a release. And a relief… could the next level be worse than this one? We haven’t the slightest idea if there is more or death is it… do you fear deep sleep when you don’t remember? Do you fear not waking up as you sleep? Of course not, there’s no awareness… We know nothing of death and yet billions before you have experienced it. Are you afraid to know what billions of others, the old, the Christians, the Muslims, the Native Indians, the babies, the birds, the dogs and cats? Why?

I like to look at it as a relief… as a goal… this level is over… next level is up, what will it bring? It’s exciting to know… It could be anything. That is exciting to me… and not to be feared. I’ve had both great and horrible times here on earth… if there are more horrible times, so be it… if there are only good times, so be it… who can argue what happens after death? No point fearing… no point prolonging this silly life either…

The point of life for me are those things mentioned above….

What is the point of your life? Living “for God”? Living to make the best of it? Living to help others? He who dies with the most toys wins?

What is the POINT of YOUR life?

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168 Responses to “What is the Point of Life?”

  1. Malina says:

    Why do you write this
    “I have yet to make a relationship “work”… and I’ve just about given up trying. No point for me, I think much better to give up the idea and just have close friendships instead. I wish I’d have realized this one thing so many years ago!”

    Then write this:

    “My girlfriend has a motorbike that cost $1500 USD almost 5 years ago. These are the major things we have.”

    • Vern says:

      Hi Malina,

      Wow – you scared me – I thought my wife wrote that comment!

      This post was written 3+ years ago. Actually more, but it sat on my hard drive for a while before I decided to publish it. Some parts I added – hence the “My girlfriend has a motorbike…” part you quoted.

      I’ve since revised it to make more sense. Back 3 years ago I wasn’t sure if I could make the relationship I’m in now – “work”. “Work”, to me, means forever. We’re at 5 years and it’s the best relationship I’ve ever been in. I think this one goes forever… :)

      Thanks for calling attention to that. :) Vern

      • Malina says:

        Hi Vern,

        Good to read your reply and that you understood what I was saying. While i’m here i’ll just say that the reason I stumbled upon your site is because I looked up what is the point to life.
        That was about 4 months ago and I have been meaning to ask you about what you wrote in that section since then and only just got around to it, because I came back to read your page recently, which I have bookmarked. I wondered about that part as I was hoping to take some advice from what you said about love relationships, but then you contradicted yourself with saying you were in one.
        I’m not sure if you have any words of wisdom for me, but I am kind of struggling at the moment. I so often wonder what we’re doing here, and find it all SO crazy. Sometimes I wonder what is the point in anything? Were all going to die anyway. Whats the point in me studying. Or getting out of bed even. But then I do realise that there are things that can make me pretty happy, like travelling, and other things. I just can’t stop this mind process of thinking about things all the time. Sometimes I think my depressive thoughts might be to do with alcohol consumption and am trying to not drink anymore, but I keep going back to it because I need something to break the monotony of life. I guess I need to become passionate about something…I need wide open spaces and am not around them at the moment. I would like to be around more animals and nature. They make me feel more normal in the head. I want to just stop thinking about the point of it all, and accept that it’s going to be forever cryptic. I want to find something to break the monotony that is not alcohol. If I stop drinking for a few weeks I then feel like i’m just waiting til I can have a binge drinking night to forget about it all. Im not sure what else I could do that gave me the same buzz. Yoga and Meditation are good for my mind, though I should commit to them more and can be quite lazy with it. It seems that every one is trying to escape through alcohol (well alot of people I am surrounded by), how do you escape without it. Anyhow, I have found what you’ve written to be an interesting read, and some what inspiring, though I still haven’t found what i’m looking for.
        Cheers..

        • Vern says:

          Hi Malina,

          I’m also one of those that thinks too much. I can’t help it. At one point I thought – I should try to stop this… but, what’s the point of that? It is always there. You can’t drink full-time to stop your thoughts…

          Best thing for people like us is to focus on something. Find something you like. Find something you love. As you said, something you’re passionate about. Once you find something to keep your mind busy – you think less.

          Or, you might start writing books. I’ve done that recently. It helps to focus my mind, and get some of my thoughts out where someone might do something with them. Where they might even help someone. To me – that is the point of life really – helping others. Everyone’s in the same situation… we live on earth and have to deal with all that comes with that.

          Did you download the free ebook in the upper right side of the page?

          There are more ideas about the point of life and some responses from those that have read the book.

          I think if you find something you LIKE… something you LOVE…. not someone, some THING – you will find that life blows by quickly. If you can channel your thought energy into something that helps you or others – a book, a movie, a video, a poem, creative art, a song, whatever it is – you’ll find that life is more bearable.

          Good luck with everything, feel free to write to my email if there’s something you want to talk about and not post.

          Cheers,

          Vern

  2. It’s not that life is pointless. it’s what you make of your point less life. You are respirable for making meaning out of a pointless life.
    Your start out nothing turn into something then go back to nothing.
    There is a consiousness that is life and you are only a very small part
    of that consiousness. You do not see the meaning of life because you are not the center your just part of the body of life.
    As for those that believe life is pointless get over it. Enjoy the time
    you have stop bitching over all the pain of life. When your life is over
    it’s really over THE END !

  3. Dr. Endorphin says:

    I asked the same questions and came to some important conclusions. First, I found out that science may be able to extend our lives indefinitely. (Google Aubrey de Grey). Secondly, as an atheist, after considering the possibility that I might be living forever, I still wondered what the point of it would be. I came to the conclusion that the point of living would be to avoid random reincarnation. We don’t know what happens after death, but I think we can break it down to two general, rational possibilities, all resting on the fact that you need a brain to experience things. One, you remain unconscious forever, and don’t think, therefor, you don’t exist. I don’t like to consider this, because after all, life happened once for me, so who is to say it won’t happen again? Two, you are randomly reincarnated, and I say randomly, because I don’t think that god exists, or any intelligence that decides where your consciousness manifests. This second possibility is pretty frightening, because you could come back as some other creature in the wild, a starving African, a meth addict, ect. So, it would seem that the best reasoning to keep on living (especially in health), would be to avoid such horrible situations, and remember: It isn’t written in the sky that science cannot solve the aging problem. Spread the word.

  4. SS says:

    This was a tremendously excellent article. I really can’t describe how it made me feel.

    I’ve been thinking about these sorts of questions for many years…in many cases being seen as a bad person for question faith and what not. Over time, I too saw that I seemed to agree with the Buddhist “goal”. I like the way you put that. I even tried starting to meditate…

    It’s hard for us to go through life with all of these attachments (and I think you’re right that American’s do have more), but what is life without them? It sounds like nirvana is not so much the “end of suffering” so much as the “end of emotion”. I feel like you’re article has saved me a bit of time coming up with conclusions that I was definitely on track to make.

    Again, this is such an excellent article that will certainly help many people who are bold enough to search for answers to such questions on the internet.

    Thanks for writing this.

    SS

  5. Katelyn says:

    This was really helpful. Although right now, i’m not so caught up in thinking about my life personally, but more so “life” as a whole. I look up at the stars and often wonder about life elsewhere, and although its hard for me to explain, I constantly have this frustrating thought/feeling that I posess much more knowledge of this world than I am conciously aware of, I just don’t know how to unlock it. I have no idea where to start!

  6. Anthony says:

    I’ve spent the past 18 years of my life trying to die.

    Rather than giving my sob story, I’ll leave it at: I am simply just so exhausted of this life.

    At the turn of my eighteenth birthday, things were finally going my way.

    I am in a healthy romantic and sexual relationship with my girlfriend of a year.

    I have severed ties and not spoken with the most detrimental person, my mother.

    I thought I figured out everything I wanted. I wanted to be a writer and am going to school for it in the fall.

    All good things.

    Yet, I am still trying to fight the daily urges to end my life. Everything seems so pointless, irrelevant, and unimportant.

    Everything that I can accomplish will someday be forgotten or obsolete. If I spend so much time trying to make myself happy, what will it matter when I die?

    Thank you for writing this, Vern. It was refreshing to know that even the best of people struggle – maybe not with wanting to die, but struggling with finding the point of life.

    Just, thank you.

    • Vern says:

      Hi Anthony,

      Thanks for writing! I think that most people – when they really look at the big picture – like you obviously have, wonder naturally about – what is the point of LIVING? When you look at the point of life – if it doesn’t make sense to you, then what is the next question? What’s the point of living at all? I’ve asked myself that question hundreds of times. My answer? Who the hell knows? Lol.

      When I look at the big, big picture – I don’t see any grand scheme – any good plan, any worthwhile explanation at all about why we’re all here and playing this ridiculous game that just seems to be one of lasting out various pain. Sure there are good times, but, if you look at it closely – most of our life is just spent getting over various things that pain us.

      Gravity is a pain we have to overcome every time we MOVE. WHY? Who knows. Why do we have to stay between a certain temperature to be happy? Why are we at 98.6 while reptiles can be a whole range of temperature and be fine? Why are kids born without ears or conjoined to their twin? Who knows! Is there a good point to it? Hell no!

      So what to do? End your life? See… we know nothing about what’s next either. Whether this life – this soul – something of “me” is carried on after death – WHO KNOWS? We could be reconstituted and have no recollection of this goofy game at all. We could just die in the dirt and have no consciousness ever reconstitute, or continue. We could go to a much more horrible place and play a really sick game next…. or, it could be the best game. Who knows?

      There’s no more point in killing yourself than living. And actually, since you fark up your loved one’s games profoundly when you kill yourself – it’s not about you – it’s about staying alive for those that love you and think you’re cool to have around. If there are none of those people – then yeah, whatever, kill yourself and see what’s next… to me – no real difference in my mind then.

      This game is a very twisted thing… there is no good answer that I can see for the WHY it’s being played out. So, there’s no good answer for how we should all go about playing it out either.

      Life, death, no matter… whatever started this game thinks – no matter either – or we wouldn’t die in such ridiculous ways, at young ages or old… in spite of how we live our lives morally – it makes no difference at all…

      ;) Cheers bro… Oh, and on being a writer – YES! Write your ass numb. Checkout MikeFook.com if you get a chance.

    • Philip says:

      Hi Anthony,

      I have pondered this for a long time and I am currently writing a book on the subject. I think I may be able to help you by giving you a perspective that you have not considered. Email me at pjohnson@sourcelink.com and I would be glad to share my thoughts with you.

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